May 17th, 2005

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Our Excellent ICBC Experience

ICBC has a de facto monopoly on car insurance in British Columbia. Pretty much everyone hates them, and has some horror story about how they or their friend or relative was screwed by the insurance giant.

So, when my wife was in a fender bender two weeks ago (she’s fine), we feared the worst. To my surprise, however, we’ve been treated with respect and dealt with fairly and efficiently. Our claims meeting was short and painless. The adjuster clearly articulated what they would and would not cover (in terms of out-of-pocket expenses). We easily obtained a rental car, covered by ICBC, when the body shop didn’t have any courtesy cars (thank goodness, because I’d feel like a pariah in one of those things). And we didn’t have to battle, squabble or plead for anything.

The key here may be that the other driver accepted 100% of the blame for the accident, and no one was seriously injured. I’m no cheerleader for ICBC, but this experience certainly was as simple and pain-free as it could have been.

I should add: if you ever complain about car insurance prices, go investigate the cost of insuring a car in Ireland. On top of the higher rates, they profile drivers more thoroughly there. A young man might pay twice as much (across the board, those rates are suspiciously low–my anecdotal experience puts the actual costs at twice that at least) as a middle-aged woman.

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I’ve never had anything but good experiences with ICBC. I might be biased, as my step-mother is an adjuster, so I know what it’s like from both sides… but even with accidents that were my fault (all one of them) I’ve always had good luck.

My dealings with them are four break ins, two accidents (one my fault, one 100% the other guy), and one hit & run — I have very little bad to say about them. I even got a free rental car when my truck got broken into (which must have been new, because when my car got broken into *three times in one year* I didn’t get anything.)

The hit & run (on my bike) could have been really bad… to the tune of $750 for $800 worth of damage. However, someone got the license plate. Hahaha, suckers.

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From what I can tell, you seem to get treated differently depending on which claims centre you go to. I’ve heard good results from people going to the one on Broadway in Kits. Conversely, don’t even bother with the ones in Surrey or Richmond.

That said, my (and others I know) experience with ICBC has been pretty miserable. They seem to rely on people giving up with them in frustration rather than settling claims amicably. Getting into even a minor accident is a fairly traumatic experience (or at the very least, unpleasant)…having to fight with your insurance company over every conceivable aspect of your claim is reprehensible. Far too often the attitude I’ve received has been one of treating the claimant as though they are all trying to bilk the system. ICBC is nearly universally detested and rightfully so.

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The ICBC has been one of the most striking “I didn’t realize it would be this different” aspects of my moving to BC. Yes, auto insurance is very different from place to place.

Some differences to chew on: in TX, the required liability was only $10,000 (later raised to $25,000, I believe). 100x difference. No wonder the premiums here are higher, but also no wonder the number of wrongful injury lawsuits is practically zero in comparison.

Regarding profiling, my auto insurance dropped exactly in half when I turned 25 (I didn’t feel like I’d been that much more dangerous the year before, but someone did). There are few restrictions on premium equality in general, so a responsible older female driver in a sedan might be paying only US$700 a whole year, while a multi-accident young male driver in a sports car could pay as much as US$600 a month (obviously, usually they don’t, and either settle for a different car, or just go uninsured — another very common problem in the States).

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Personally, I have had decent dealings with ICBC. While, yes, there were times that I felt that I was getting screwed - I have come to realize that that is the job of an insurance corp.

Moving between BC, Washington, and now Florida I have seen auto insurance in very different lights. Seattle was the worse where I paid through the nose in premiums because I was “too young” and “too inexperienced” - for note they did not accept my BC driving history. Florida is more in par with BC. However, the biggest thing is the confusion. License & registration, uninsured motorists, etc are a big concern down here … in BC, ICBC made sure you were both licensed and registered which, to me, helps ensure that there are fewer uninsured motorists.

I like the single base-coverage and the 3rd party choices on the extended coverage model (as is currently available in BC). I think it helps protect the motorists more and gives everyone on the road a fair starting position.

ICBC is an insurance company. They are out to make money and thus don’t like paying huge settlements. They have to protect themselves from abuse and thus breed hate due to “red tape”. I think they should be held accountable as a company … though I do like them being tied to government so that they are held accountable to the people as well. (A dual role)

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I have never had a good expereince with ICBC. Recently I was in afender bender and the other driver was at fault. However, this could not be proved by examining both of our cars, I am still fighting it and am getting very angry! I understand that overall ICBC must be …good… but I however had not had the opportunity to expereince that side ot it!

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I have not had a good experience with ICBC. Recently I was involved in an accident where I rear ended a lady. It was a very low impact accident, we were both fine and there was minimal damage to our cars(I did not make a claim). However, it was my fault… I was 100% responsible.

I decided to try and pay off the damage made to her car and asked ICBC to send me an invoice to review. When I received it it had the total amount and then a hand written statement for a ‘Vehicle Rental’ and an additional $45.14 charge… then another handwritten total. I had stayed in contact with the other driver and she had informed me that she didn’t use a rental car at all.

When I called the first time the ICBC employee told me the shop charged them so they will charge me… no explanation. I then called the head office, the woman I spoke to there told me that this was just an ‘industry standard’ and they automatically charge this even if a rental car is not used.

I wrote a letter to the ICBC Fairness Commission. I am not expecting them to do much… considering they run it. But I do feel this is unethical and refuse to be a ’sheep’ and follow the crowd of unhappy ICBC customers.

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I’m having a bad experience w/ ICBC right now — something hit my car when it was parked in a parking lot and I wasn’t there. I have no idea what happened, so I filed a hit and run claim.

They told me that it looks like I hit a wall — basically they accused me of lying. I called again and left a message, which they haven’t returned, so I guess I’m just stuck paying for this damage.

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I have had two accidents in the last three years: a very minor scrape in a parking lot, and I rear-ended a vehicle when my brake line burst (according to ICBC, a 100% my fault accident). I am now forced to pay a 250% premium which effectively means that I cannot afford anything but the very base level of insurance. According to the ICBC website, “If you cause crashes, then you pay a higher premium”.

Let me explain that I do not “cause crashes”. I am human, and I make mistakes no more or less than any other human. I owned the vehicle less than a week and had it mechanically inspected by a dealer garage before I bought it, and yet the brake line still burst.

I will now take me 12 years of paying grossly over-rated premiums before I am able to get insurance in BC for a fair premium (assuming that I don’t utilize the “services” of ICBC in the meantime).

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ICBC,

3 Points.

#1 Their intentions legally are to cause blame on you. They force people to pay fines, and our only method of retort is to “dispute”, putting blame on us making us sound bad. If your friend randomly told you to pay you 500 bucks because you spilled some soda on his couch you would tell him to piss off and you would either clean his couch or replace the cushion. Well ICBC says you did this, and were are going to gauge you for it by charging you with a fine. We cannot tell them to piss off, its an accident. They go give us cash and be on your merry way.

#2 They are a monopoly and a crown corporation and therefore should notify the public of all and every change. They do not do this nor will they ever do this.

#3 ICBC does not have British Columbians at interest, this has been proven in media many times. They are any typical private company, their main goal is based on profits, and lots of em. If their profits come from us or their investments they reward their staff (greatly) and the people of BC are the furthest thing from their mind. I understand Christmas bonus’s but if you were for a crown corporation, and you do a really good job at ripping someone off you should be hung out to dry and sentenced to decent term in jail. This might sound harsh but their jobs are to make money from us from a “technically” free thing called transportation.

Finally, if you take the 3 points above and compile/combine them together, you have technically created a monster. They have a soldier of policeman doing their enforcing of rules and regulations that can be changed at will, and can charge you with the most they can suck out of that one specific thing money wise.

The Definition of an accident:
Literally, a befalling; an event that takes place without one’s foresight or expectation; an undesigned, sudden, and unexpected event; chance; contingency; often, an undesigned and unforeseen occurrence of an afflictive or unfortunate character;

Humans were not design perfectly, they have accidents all the time. ICBC gets to have free reign over VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. Grrreat.

ICBC should be relinquished of the REIGN of TERROR they have brought to BC and move onto some where else. If someone comes on here and posts, oh well you should see Ireland they make people pay even more, tell them we are not Ireland we are from BC, and we wont put up with this.

not to mention their premiums have gone through the roof, and their profits are every exceeding off or British Columbians pockets, and offering little or no competition to bring market prices down. Oh wait there is no market.

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ICBC has become a criminal organization. Claims adjusters are told to settle claims in the best interest of the corporation. Accident claims are not settled fairly, they are settled in favour of the corporations bottom line. They have tended to go to a 50/50 settlement in most cases, where both drivers are found at fault and both have their rates increased.

The corporation is riddled with corruption, repaired vehicles sold without disclosure of their accident history and managers buying repaired vehicles dirt cheap on rigged auctions being the latest story to hit the news.

The corruption however, is far more widespread than that. Performance bonuses are paid to managers if the corporations bottom line increases, regardless of the reason, whether it be fewer claims because of a mild winter or cheating clients of their due.

The bottom line is simple greed. Cheat he clients and get a bonus cheque.

Sure I’ve had a few claims in the past that were settled reasonably. Got my windshield replaced for $200. My vehicle was vandalized and ICBC paid for the repairs. I also have a nearly 30 year clean driving record. These claims were simple and straight forward. Accident claims are something else. The person with the most damage will be found at fault and not covered, or the old 50/50.

When I moved to BC from Ontario my basic car insurance doubled. For a second vehicle here I pay full premiums. In Ontario the second vehicle was $300 a year. Of course this was through a large and well known private insurance company. I shopped around for the best rates and coverage.

Lets hope that the recent sudden resignation of the ICBC, CEO is a turning point. The beginning of criminal investigation into how this monster rips off each and every resident of this province, every day.

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I have had nothing but horrible expierences with ICBC. I had three little fender benders in parking lots in one year while I was backing up. Two of the times the other vehicles came out of nowhere and because my truck was lifted I could not see them. My insurance premiums went up to 250% surcharge and I was at 43% roadstar savings before the accidents. My insurance for my car is now $2000.00/month. Obviously I can not afford to pay this so I am forced to drive a vehicle that is not insured in my name. If I am put down as the principle operator then I still have to pay that ridiculous amount. So I am driving with someone elses insurance which is illegal according to ICBC.

I comute to Vancouver everyday on the #1 highway and with traffic the way it is and the roads not built for this much traffic how can you avoid the odd accident it is impossible. This Government in BC has got us all in a corner. They know the roads are conjested they do nothing about it or very little and blame us for the accidents on the roads that we are bad drivers and we have to pay yet none of the millions of dollars that ICBC has made in profits are going to build more bridges and better roads. There is no form of transit from the fraser valley into Vancouver. The average person cannot afford to live in Vancouver and now with gas prices we should all stay home and collect welfare maybe that would hit them where it hurts.

I think BC is in need of some drastic changes to its government and we as the people should be pushing this. It is too bad that people have road rage on one another and when involved in an accident the first thing that goes through your mind should not be my dahmrance is going to sky rocket. Rather this anger should be taken out on this provinces government. I dont know about you but I have had enough.

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I have had nothing but horrible expierences with ICBC. I had three little fender benders in parking lots in one year while I was backing up. Two of the times the other vehicles came out of nowhere and because my truck was lifted I could not see them. My insurance premiums went up to 250% surcharge and I was at 43% roadstar savings before the accidents. My insurance for my car is now $2000.00/month. Obviously I can not afford to pay this so I am forced to drive a vehicle that is not insured in my name. If I am put down as the principle operator then I still have to pay that ridiculous amount. So I am driving with someone elses insurance which is illegal according to ICBC.

I comute to Vancouver everyday on the #1 highway and with traffic the way it is and the roads not built for this much traffic how can you avoid the odd accident it is impossible. This Government in BC has got us all in a corner. They know the roads are conjested they do nothing about it or very little and blame us for the accidents on the roads that we are bad drivers and we have to pay yet none of the millions of dollars that ICBC has made in profits are going to build more bridges and better roads. There is no form of transit from the fraser valley into Vancouver. The average person cannot afford to live in Vancouver and now with gas prices we should all stay home and collect welfare maybe that would hit them where it hurts.

I think BC is in need of some drastic changes to its government and we as the people should be pushing this. It is too bad that people have road rage on one another and when involved in an accident the first thing that goes through your mind should not be my dahm insurance is going to sky rocket. Rather this anger should be taken out on this provinces government. I dont know about you but I have had enough.

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DEAR READERS MY NMINIVAN GOT STOLEN ,IT WAS 1994 PLYMOUTH VOYJOR VERY NICELY KEPT LIKE COLLECTER CAR , BUT ICBC GAVE ME A VERY SOUR DEAL ,REASON RACIAL PREJUDICE . I HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR MY INSURACE SINCE BILL BENET BROUGHT ICBC , I DID COMPLAIN TO OMMBADS MAN OFFICE BUT NO AVAIL , IF SOME ONE CAN HELP ME PLEASE !TOTTLE LOSE DEPT WOMAN HAD SO Awe attitude . i know in icbc all workers are cousins , as this is just society ! may be too much !

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