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You make a good point, and raise a good question. What’s the most environmentally-friendly way to kill yourself? Drown in the ocean?

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What’s the most environmentally-friendly way to kill yourself? Drown in the ocean?

Only if you’re a seal. I think burying yourself in a compost heap is probably pretty low-footprint.

Some other thoughts along self-extinguishment lines.

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I’d be curious to know what our footprints look like.

Here you go. I cycle-commute 100 km/week and try to live a reasonably green lifestyle, but I still require 4.8 hectares of arable land to support myself. If everyone lived like that, it would require two planet Earths.

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That child you abstain from having, might be the next Einstein and may eliminate our dependence on oil, or convince people that artificial sweeteners cause obesity and lead to the sky rocketing health care costs, or they may revolutionize the way we educate children and introduce and new level of enlightenment in our world. Each one of us is special and we choose to consume all of those resources. We don’t consume them just because we are born. Let’s learn to make better choices!

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Odds are 1 in the number of people ever born that your kid would be the next Einstein. I recognize that these are not great odds, but I would prefer to invest time and resources into teaching people to make better choices about what they consume, rather than miss the opportunity. I guess I am coming from the perspective that it would be easier to teach everyone how to consume 1% less, that it would be to reduce the birthrate by the amount to equal that decrease in consumption.

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Chad, your kid also might be the next Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, or Dahmer. Darren is right - this reasoning carries little or no weight. If you’re truly convinced of this, you should really play the lottery. The cost is way lower, it’s more environmentally and socially friendly, and the odds are much, much better.

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Just to clarify, I am speaking theoretically, since as a gay man I do not expect to father a child.

I think WCG’s point about doing a better job raising kids is a more worthwhile discussion if you have an interest in perpetuating the species. In my limited experience (as an uncle, godfather, and human) no child is born a Hitler or a Stalin or a Dahmer. Their upbringing and life experiences are a greater influence than their genetics.

If we consider having children a purely selfish decision, how is the species perpetuated? How do you distinguish between a child that is selfish in nature versus one that is born to perpetuate the species?

China was successful because every household was restricted equally. It was not a choice. I doubt that the US or Canada would attempt China’s approach.

If we encourage people (in a democratic country) to not have children in order to help sustain our resources, then educated people will be the likely individuals to make this choice. Our species will be perpetuated by the least educated people with the fewest resources to educate their offspring. Does that pose any risks for the future?

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<unPCalert>Frankly, you probably do not want to think about who has reduced humanity’s impact more, Einstein or Hitler.</>

Seriously though, your child might be the next X is a non-argument, for the reason that I can’t think of any individual X that has significantly encouraged or enabled people to use less resources or achieve sustainability (the ultimate goal). All inventors, thinkers, and doers that I can think of work within a system, a culture, and a society that nutures their contribution. It’s not that one person can’t make a difference, but I believe that no one person is destined, rather fate picks a worthy person to have that role. Also, rationalizing your child’s existance with the expectation of being the next X will make it more difficult for him or her to fulfill that role–I’d rather like to belive I am raising a worthy child.

To me, morality suggests that as an individual, I should use all those resources I’ve consumed to attempt to perpetuate humanity in a sustainable way. I was once tempted by the “die-off” idea, but in the end I’m not enough of a nihilist (thought the Nihilist movement sounds like it had some good ideas). After those near-nihilist days, I used to think that setting a good example of being a positive and contributing member of society was enough to justify my life, but I think the instinct of self-perpetuation kicked in around 30. The logical conclusion is that although you don’t need to beget your own offspring, you should spend your resource-debt raising and educating children to have less debt. That could mean adopting if you want the full parenting experience, devoting a career to education or NGOs (by that I mean the human betterment work that NGOs typically do around the world), or simply mentoring or volunteering in schools, or better yet, in foster care circles.

Personally, I didn’t think long about adoption, genetic hubris makes biological fatherhood the easy choice, not to mention all the administrative and practical difficulties of adopting. Plus I think that adopting for the purpose of sustainability is likely to overshadow the more important reasons of being a parent and raising a child (love, dedication, . So in the end, the most important factor for me in deciding to father a child was paraphrased by #22 on that wiki: “A child is a living legacy; you can put your knowledge and experience into a biovessel and send it out to the future.”

There was an interesting article in Discover magazine recently about the epigenome. It confirmed one of those beliefs I’ve often held to be intuitive: that nuture can change which of our genes get expressed (literally turning off and on DNA), and therefore shape our physical selves. More surprisingly, those changes are stored in the chromosomes, which can be passed on to children (DNA is only about half of the genetic material in the gametes).

Combine that with Andrea’s low-impact lifestyle (we live in a more rural area, but we buy and grow our food locally, compost, use solar energy, and espouse a non-consumerist lifestyle) and Chad’s point that I would prefer those dedicated to sustainability be those who raise children, and I think there is a strong moral argument for saying that having your own child is not a bad thing. While I have nothing people who decide not to have children for whatever reason, it seems that there are trends within the emerging no-children movement that seems to vilify those who do procreate, and that bothers me–not so much as a parent but more because it is just another form of intolerance society doesn’t need.

If comments can have a tune, mine would be “Teach Your Children Well” by Crosby Stills Nash & Young (see this video for the song as a tribute to adoption).

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